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Classic Car Watch
Boats (That's Boats on Wheels)
November 1, 2005
By Scott Lewis
This month I want to look at boats. I know, this is a classic car column. But boats can be cars too. In fact, the "boat" that inspired this article is the 1970 Chrysler 300 Convertible that Yao Ming drives in the Garmin GPS commercials. I also saw a Chrysler 300 Hurst on My Classic Car. I loved it. Then I stumbled on a Sport Fury GT web site with one black and one white Fury GT on the home page. They're Big! Huge! Gigantic! The anti-hero of politically correct cars. These are the Chrysler fuselage cars.
I have to wonder if these cars were fast, even with a 375 hp 440 under the hood. These cars weighed a good 4000 lbs. 0-60 mph probably was a "brisk" 8 - 9 seconds with the 440. This car would be eaten alive by many 4 cylinder cars today. Mileage? Well, that falls into that category of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it."Of the fuselage cars, the ones I really like are the ones with hide-a-way headlights. These includes 69-71 300s, 70-71 Sport Fury and the 72 Gran Coupe Fury.
There are not enough of these cars on the market to fill this column. So,
what cars did GM and Ford have that fit this bill. We are looking for cars that weigh a good two tons in a luxury oriented two door. Chevrolet's Monte Carlo and Pontiacs Grand Prix fit this description. However, the MC and GP are smaller inside,
and fall in that "personal luxury car" niche. Next up the line I see the Chevrolet Caprice and its cousins (Pontiac Bonneville, Oldsmobile 98). These were available in two doors, especially when the tops were of the folding variety. You could almost include the Oldsmobile Toronado and Cadillac Eldorado in this group, though they are
probably too "heavy" at closed to 4500 lbs.
Our goal is to look for "cruisers" that get really bad gas mileage, but have a strong presence driving down the road. To find cars for this article I took a slightly different approach. With the fuselage cars I did specific
searches to try and find cars for sale. But I decided to only check my usual
group of web sites to see if I stumbled on the non Mopar cars.
If you are a fuselage fan, then this month's cars should be for you. Let's see what I can
find:
1972 Plymouth Fury - $12,957
Description:
Oklahoma car in the 80’s, check out this super slick ISCA Show
Car C-body Fury!!! 2003 3rd place Mopar @ ISCA Auburn Hills!!,
frame off restored approx 5 yrs ago, 360 engine runs the best as
it has been driven back and forth from the shows the last 5
years!! (we were told #matching 360 w/63K indicated miles),
automatic, Power Disc brakes, Power Steering, remote drivers
mirror, owners manual and sales booklet, several inspection
receipts from Oklahoma along w/other misc. receipts over the
years!! Super clean and chrome engine bay looks awesome!! Nice
huge trunk w/jack and mat, undercarriage is very nice, Kenwood
stereo, factory AC car!! ‘Fury’ side marker lamp lights up!!
This car has been drove back and forth to the shows over the years
so it’s been very dependable and a great trophy winner as well!!
In the last 2 years here in KY it has won 7 Best of Mopars along
with 30 or so other trophies, we have the previous owners name,
address and phone number readily available to attest to condition
and car show capabilities!! Rare C-body car w/hidden headlamps
that work like a charm!! Dare to be different…….Looking for a
PROVEN show winner and PROVEN dependable driver?
NADA: $4,500 - $6,660
Source: Jake's Forgotten Past
Comments: Once again I get to take jabs at NADA. The description doesn't tell, but from my own brief research this seems to be a Gran Fury, which was high in the Fury food chain... at least back in 72. NADA claims the Fury III is the highest valued of the 72 Fury models. I put the highest price here just to give this car a fighting chance.
Now to the car. I would MUCH rather have a 70-71 Sport Fury or Fury GT. I have seen the 72 listed as a Gran Fury and Fury Gran Coupe. This is one of those for all intents and purposes. It doesn't really matter. The pictures of this car make it look so clean it defies the normal pricing. If this really did get a frame off restoration it is worth what they are asking. My only grip with the car is the color. Baby Blue, come on. At this price we won't be repainting this car anytime soon, so we better like the color or get used to it quick.
I would look into converting the bench seat to buckets with a console. The key is to do it so it looks like a factory job. Make sure to use a slapstick shifter while your at it.
1969 Chrysler 300 - $10,900 (Sold)
Description:
Just in! Only 1,933 built. Loaded with options including power
steering, power brakes, power windows, power seat, air
conditioning and more. Powered by the standard 440 v8 factory.
NADA: $12,938 - $17,020
Source: Collector Car Trader
Comments: Wow, this is nice. Ready to go. Need I say more. This car would have made the top spot if it had not sold. But I have an answer for that coming on a couple of months.
1972 Chevrolet Impala - $12,500
Description:
CS, original interior, show paint, cold A/C, 18 American Torque
Thrust wheels, very dependable, beautiful show and drive, front
discs, 350 motor, 350 transmission, 50k original miles.
NADA: $5,088 - $7,563
Source: Collector Car Trader
Comments: This cars shows you what a nice stance and cool wheels can do for the look of a car. I don't know what CS means, so I decided to look up an Impala Custom Coupe on NADA. It didn't help. This car is overpriced. That show paint better be really top quality. If I was local I would check it out. It can't hurt to call with a low ball offer either. This car appeals to me more than any of the other non-fuselage cars this month.
1971 Chrysler 300 - $2,500
Description:
Runs good, original paint, new tires, no accident, power windows.
NADA: $4,250 - $6,375
Source: Collector Car Trader
Comments: Hey, at $2,500 we can't go too wrong. He didn't tell us anything that would help us price it on NADA. Engine? A/C? It doesn't matter. He has it priced pretty low. If this car is rust free (we would hope with the original paint) it is a keeper. There is plenty of money in the budget to do a complete restoration (though maybe not concourse quality).
1970 Chrysler 300 - $9,900 (Sold)
Description:
1970 300 Convertible Red/White top & interior 40,394 Miles-
Road Wheels New Radials CM27TOC 123039 #'s matching 440 4 Barrel
Motor.
NADA: $12,375 - $16,280
Source: Gesswein Motors
Comments: This car doesn't thrill me much, but when I found it it was the nicest convertible I had seen.
1970 Chrysler 300 Convertible - $6000 (Sold)
Description:
440 engine, at, fully restored, 15K miles & 5 years ago, has
always been an Arizona car, paint has faded & top is a little
sun burnt, exc stereo system,
NADA: $12,375 - $16,280
Source: Collector Car Trader
Comments: I found this one early, but it sold. The picture was not good enough to justify a high standing on my list. But a fully restored car for $6K, how could you go wrong.
1970 Chrysler 300 Hurst - $19,500 (Sold)
Description:
440 TNT 375 HP Very Rare-Only 500 Produced 78,000 Miles Lot's of
documentation As nice as I've seen!!! Exceptionaly well
maintained.
NADA: $12,438 - $17,625
Source: Gesswein Motors
Comments: This car is way out of my price range, but I wante to include it so you could see what a 330 Husrt looked like. The molded in rear spoiler of these cars is wild.... even for a Mopar. This particular car is in deperate need of a paint job. I feel it is way overpriced for its condition... as does NADA.
1970 Chrysler 300 - $5,500
Description:
440/350hp, 41k on od, every pwr option, forest green, w/ blk top
& int, new dual exh, tires, wheels, brakes, runs exc, int very
good cond, body solid, could use paint, only 1770 were built.
NADA: $11,250 - $14,800
Source: Collector Car Trader
Comments: Can we assume that "body solid" means "no rust"? Let's hope so. Does "every pwr option" include air conditioning AND power windows? Again, I hope so. Why not call. With a nice paint job this car could be the one Yoa Ming drives. NADA doesn't mention a 350 hp engine option so I left it out. Clearly this is a bargain priced car according to NADA, but its condition might state otherwise.
1972 Oldsmobile 98 - $6,850
Description:
Oldsmobile 98 LS 2 door hardtop. Matching numbers, 53,700 actual
documented miles car! Always garaged, triple green, 3 owner,
copies of titles back until new. The paint and interior on this
vehicle look like new, litterally! Some of the many options
include a 455 4 barrel V-8, automatic transmission, power
steering, power brakes, power seat, power windows, cold air
conditioning, fender skirts, rocker moldings, factory Oldsmobile
bug deflector, vinyl top, working am/fm/8 track and much more.
This car was appraised in 4/2001 for $9,000. It is very rare to
find a car like this in such incredible original condition. What a
collector car! Priced to sell.
NADA: $4,940 - $7,313
Source: American Classic Autos
Comments: This car was listed as a LS. NADA lists a Luxury version of the 98. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and went with the Luxury version when pricing this car. I wonder who appraised this car for more than NADA says it's worth.
I don't really like this car. The color is hard on the eyes. But I thought I would include it here as an alternative to the fuselage cars.
1971 Chevrolet Caprice - $13,500
Description:
This is a 2 owner vehicle in original condition. Always garaged.
No rust, bondo, or accidents. Big block 402, Rochester 4V, posi
traction. An awesome original that looks, runs, and drives
perfectly. Low original miles (51,000 mi.), ice cold A/C with new
compressor and converted to 134a refrigerant, factory louvered
trunk in 1971, power windows, power disc brakes, tilt wheel,
factory dual exhaust that is brand new, outstanding original
chrome, 4 brand new tires.
NADA: $5,873 - $8,990
Source: Gas Pump Classics
Comments: Wow, this is overpriced. NADA even gave a 35% boost to the value for the 402 big block. Regardless, I love this vehicle. If you want to be politically incorrect the only way to do it better would be with a factory 454.
I would ditch the hub caps and get some conservative aftermarket wheels on this car pronto. Check out the black Impala above. I would also look to get rid of the fender skirts, and put the appropriate chrome trim around the wheel wells. Then this car would be ready to cruise.
1972 Plymouth Gran Fury - $5400
Description:
V-8 360, ps, pb, ac, new exhaust, recent tune-up & winterized.
Good solid southern car. Runs great! A great deal priced below
book value.
NADA: $3,840 - $5,610
Source: Time Rider Classic Cars
Comments: This car does not inspire me, but it is a fuselage car. Hopefully it just needs some TLC. We are at top dollar here, so this is a money pit. We will probably never get our money out of this car that we put into it.
1972 Chevrolet Impala - $9,925
Description:
Custom coupe, 2 previous owners, Colorado
car, original 400 small block, 350 turbo transmission, factory a/c, power
steering, power brakes, original interior, new base, coat clear coat paint, new
dual exhaust, new 17" American Eagle alloys, new 255/40r17 tires, runs and
drives like a dream.
NADA: $6,244 - $9,281
Source: Boulder Motors
Comments: NADA didn't list a 400 small block as an engine option for this car. So, just for fun, I priced it with the 402. The 402 is a slightly larger version of the 396. However, there was some confusion as to how this engine was advertised from car to car. I the Chevelle it was still called a 396, but in some cars it was called a 400. Go figure. NADA gives the 402 a 25% increase. So you can knock 45% off the NADA prices if you think that was unfair.
Here is another case of good looking wheels making a huge difference in the appearance of a vehicle. Unfortunately, I think these wheels are just O.K. Nice car, though.
1972 Lincoln Continental Mark IV - $4,995
Description:
460 V8 engine. Automatic transmission. Power
steering. Power brakes. Very clean original car. Drive anywhere.
NADA: $5,575 - $14,100
Source: Oldies But Goodies
Comments: I'm not really sure this car fits with this month's cars, but I thought I would give Ford at least a shot at this list.
I don't think I have every seen such a spread from average to high retail price from NADA. It's almost three times as much in excellent condition.